told us not to repeat, false claims about a syrian refugee robinson's lawyer said he repeat to the claims because he believes in free speech. he's been accused by critics and politicians of inciting things of riots across britain, late july. so football and he's now in front of the giants. manchester united have san fran manager, every 10 hug. the decision comes off of the clubs were stopped to, to a season and 34 years is david stokes, sundays to one defeats at west. him turned out to be the end of the road to manchester, united, manage it every 10 hug. it was that full last at the season, which is 3 big trees from 9 games. united a down and 14 just 7 points above the relegation. places is that was start to a campaign since the $198990.00 season. yeah, i think it was a, i think this time to be on us and i fail a day fail for and a little bit. but a pharmacist as haven't been good enough. i think it's about time we really

like a fresh energy, a new perspective and new ideas. 10, how took the job in 2022, and want to try face the in your sleep cup and the cup in may when they beat manchester city to the trophy. it was that victory. that convinced you know it's, it's new coding to jim ratcliffe to stick with 10 hug. but results and performances have forced the cups hand with just one. when that last 8 games, you know, competitions, it seems like they've been swimming around in circles despite the 600000000 outlay from, from 10 during this time. uh, there's no discernible progress whatsoever. so it wasn't just take care of it. they've got a difficult jump in to turn it and turn it to and the stricken oil tanker around, you know, to the point to record 20 english titles, but known since 201310 hawk. now joining david moiz, let me find how joe se, marino, and lincoln associates and folding show to the standard set. bye alex august. and i

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colleges when the, when does your iphone have to do with child labor, the village of natural resources in genocide, some current and former apple employees think a lot of these forces. and on this episode of the stream we look into allegations, questioning, apples. i'm a big tech and generals purpose, culture and strategy. and what you as a consumer should know and do about it. but the, the, the, the

when the new iphone launched back in september, there were not just long queues of loyal customers waiting outside apple stores. protesters across several cities around the world demanded apples stop sourcing mineral components from the new aquatic republic of congo. this is because mine's there are known for dangerous conditions, low wages, use of child labor and other human rights violations. many of those demonstrators also signed an open letter asking for apple executives to quote and their silence on palestinian suffering and the war on garza. and to talk about the convergence of

the struggles we have. joining us today, ryder and activist tonic cove, a leading apples against apartheid organizer. maurice carnegie, the co founder and executive director of the friends of the congo reporter and producer for out to zeros listening. post nicholas in your head and russian. the do from south africa's boy caught the investment and thankfulness coalition. thank you all so much for being part of the stream today. perfect. let me start with you. you worked at an apple store in seattle for some 12 years before being fired in july just so people don't accuse you of being a disgruntled ex employee. can you share with us why you started apples against apartheid and the reasoning behind it? yeah, i mean, i've been at this company of several stores of work to apple support. i love this company. and so i knew as soon as i started to bring up these concerns that they would try and cast me off as exactly what you said, right,

a disgruntled employee who is just kind of upset at the company. but the fact of the matter is that i love this company, i grew up wanting to work there. i love the products, i believe in them, like everything that i'm using right now. it was apple's, it's ironic, you know, like, i, like many of us in this, in this tech culture, many of us fanboys, right? so we, we tend to just kind of love apple with no critique. a lot of people tend to love apple and no critique. and i've always thought that i love without critique is just obsession. and that's why i've chosen to, to really critique apple because i believe that in order for a company to truly be it's best in order for companies to truly succeed, you have to acknowledge the wrong that your company is doing. and not pretend like you're perfect. the more that you're perfect more everything goes so very interesting. um,

maurice friends of the congo which you represent has also been attempting to draw attention to the fact that the d r. c is being drained of its resources and the big tech has a lot to do with it. are you able to paint a brief picture for us here of what that pillage looks like today, sir, thank you. thank you. the engine looks like today is entirely consistent with what the products look like yesterday when can vehicle the 2nd of belgium owned the congo. and tony, if up to a $1000000.00 at the expense of an estimated $10000000.00 comedies people. and that is to say, condo was designed for extraction extraction of natural resources and a to coming out of 188425 1000000 conference. and to this very day that blueprint, that design remains in place where the country is being pondered at the expense of

the cost of these people. and i give you the classic, it was an example of how that is. we have uh estimated $110000000.00 people in the congo quote into the world bank, up to about $70000000.00 a little less than $0.20 a day. that's on the one hand. on the other hand, you have this is really building here by the name of van gerber, who's been sanctioned by the department of treasury of the united states for allegedly correct practices and economy. and he gains royalties also around $200000.00 a day. now, one individual that there is really doing their $200000.00 a day, a to set it up to $70000000.00, call the least people less than $2.15 a day. so that's a classic case of a country where economists say there's an s one estimate, $24.00 trillion dollars with the resources there that is being plunder, that is being tougher to the detriment of the call. these people in terms of loss of life terms of health, abject poverty,

and living in the still conditions. so the call to these people are fighting and organizing to overturn that system. this is a systemic, structural legacy of colonialism. and that's what's at the heart of this matter. how is it that economies people can reclaim their lab, reclaim their resources, reclaim their well reclaim day affairs, and ultimately arrive at resource sovereignty for the benefit of the sons and daughters of the cover. we're going to talk a little bit more later in the show about the brutal conditions you described on the wall researching for this episode. we came across this moment between dual and tim cook. take a look, a jewelry, but challenge apples. tim cook with this question. i guess what i was wondering is my new iphone 15. can you guarantee that? but the cobalt that's in that funding has not been mind. like using child labor in the deal. see yes,

we can. companies like apple have been criticized in the past for now properly checking to see if their suppliers are connected to child labor or human rights violations. but apple announcing 2023 that they will use a 100 percent recycled cobalt in their batteries by 2025. and that their newest i phone already contains recycled call. this is a big idea of not having to mine anything is to use all recycled material, apple side recycling as possible, partly due to its trade in program. cook also said apple has an intense level of tracing in our supply chain all the way back to the mine and the smelter to make sure that the, the labor used. it is not child labor. so apple have said that it does not source minerals for lines in which these conditions take place. and it's also said their challenges in tracking it's minimal supply chains. back in 2022. this tracking led to the company removing 12 suppliers. nick, you've been to the r c. i are the differences between what is called i don't know,

the regulated official lines and those more artisan ones. how do they compare in terms of safety standards, but also human rights as well? so yes, there is a difference. you get industrial mining suits in the arts as no mindset, and my time spent and adjust the items and getting started an industrial box. you need to go through a whole different channel commission to get inside one of those knoxville and by product categories. which will tell you the monica practice is. it goes with the sheer to the site that you make, you mentioned, and event conducted act. and the last 10 years, uh, it is not the same to be said about a single box, which is the i'm the united states. these are the people with very no recalls financial reprocess. maurice are describing that being experiences that means minds and living in very dangerous conditions. uh. that's where at

a small themselves and yeah, i do think that we owe anyone have an awesome your laptop and electric car we'll kind of congested into this. and then you see it happening on the ground. it is, it's, uh huh. oh, i see that evidence which is precisely why, why we're having this conversation here today, right? is because we're all part of it. we're, well, it's not like you're all going to ditch our phones and electric cars and, and the transition to green or energy passes through this. so how could we make it all better? i mean, rushed on your present the, the movements that have succeeded in holding corporations big company is accountable for their involvement in is really occupation. what methods strategies would you say could be applied to apple in to the tech industry in general in terms of its shortcomings and to make it better, like tarik was saying, yeah,

absolutely. i think, you know, if we look at the b ds movement, the posting in coal was made in 2005 and it was metal very closely on the coal. we made your now struggle against the passage on the international community. and it's really a cold to organize mobilize, and so people people power to be able to shift the actions of states in this case, israel. and i think what's important to know is a complete into connectedness between us struggles. so when we're calling for the d . s uh by cuts 5 estimates and sections and there is a tech against a pub sites campaign because of course it's not just apple. it's also the tech companies. they're exploiting us in our content. and as has been said, but the also complaints, it's in the genocide now taking place and the legal occupation within palestine. so it's one struggle. it's the same with the with talk and seeing the same companies do a complete sits in both of both cases. and i think back can be very powerful. i mean

the names i got was mentioned already, and he has been one of the main exposures of categories, minerals, diamonds, cup, cobalt. and that's has been set the amounts of money that he has the crude outs of this compared to the average of a wage or income of the people in the congo is, is it extremely disproportionate? but he was also representing, in the sense, be, is really interested in africa. but they've been meddling in the cold guys since 1960, when they 1st step in their embassy. they even them, the, the investigator at that time even express the wish that the member would disappear . and that his hope for this, it was, it was not, i mean, mentionable that his hope for this would come true. and since that is true, old friend of governments in the congo, israel has been present and he's still meddling today and said what with cooling.

so no tech against the pub said when we're say, write seo companies protest, it stores um, take action, raise up the issues as do elect the dates. if you have the opportunity to speak directly to them, but it's about them with the most. keep asking the questions, keep up the pressure. the company is really getting a bad reputation. it's increasing the best, the concerned about brands and image. it's quite amazing how effective b d s can be. and we have to remember that it was the publish the new people themselves. it's of cold on us as we did on the international community. plus there's no actually legal obligation of to the i c j ruling and the un general assembly resolution last month. as so disheartening, isn't it? the more we learn about these connections, but also it's so i don't know, it's an interesting moment. we feel like there's so much less so much lightning shedding to all these different questions tire and i want to go back to you because

you didn't fully answer my question before when i asked you about being of potentially a disgruntled former employee. because you, you, you talked about being a fan boy and really loving apple. i wanted to know more about apples against apartheid because you guys have been published an open letter, which alleged that retail and corporate employees were being disciplined or wrongfully terminated for supporting the policy and people by wearing pins, bracelets and that letter read. we current, i'm previous employees of apple wish to express our disappointment and shock and the lack of care and understanding this company has given the policy and community not only abroad a suffering and also, but also towards our own team members. and anyone who supports them within our stores and offices? well, what's been happening within apple, would you say, when can you cite some concrete examples in terms of being silence or being

disciplined for your support from the policy and cause a yeah, there's a mass mass and ty palestinian silencing happening apple. uh, one of the 1st things that happened a month after the genocide started was apple shut down the most on the apple slack channel. it's an employee resource group for most of the employees that the company to gather and communicate. and what was happening was scientists were coming into that room uh, flooding it with hates and propaganda saying that your opinions are wrong. they're explaining why israel has to bomb churches and schools. and they're saying that that the muslims in the group were a terrorist. and instead of moderating that space, instead of punishing the people that were coming into that space and posting this awful stuff, they were deleting messages from the muslim employees. and they even fired an employee from that slack channel who had posted a career on verse in arabic,

which is ironic, given that it was the muslim slack channel. and um, that was like one of the very 1st things that they started in terms of, of signing the thing voice is they shut down because of the, of the racism. they just shut down the group entirely. they also shut down the jewish apple, slack channel to be fair. but a year after this genocide, they have not provided a space like that. they've not open that, that group back up despite several meetings with executives. and they've also told retail employees all around the world that you are not allowed to where the fees are, are pins like little max of your life policy. and but because they said that they're creating a harmful environment or they're putting the team at risk. and they're failing to acknowledge what, what is giving the harm is not the palestinian wearing the nicholas it's design is coming in and, and reproaching that and you know like it's, it's her effect. and it's, it's a systemic,

silent thing of voices. and they fired employees wary pro palestinian merchandise and they fired me after 8 months of you know, starting apples against apartheid and trying to really like, spite that. so do you feel there is a connection seems do so you were fired? yeah, just doing this before. uh huh. we, we obviously restarted absolutely. so that they were so they would be part of this conversation could defend themselves, but they declined our invitation or at least have not respond declined. i just, i, i would say of course the decline because they want to stay as far away from the subject as, as remotely possible. they don't want to say anything. they don't want to do anything but they opened in israel and it's, it's so ironic that they refused to do their comment on the subject when they they are so heavily involved with them as well. oh, i'm sorry, is this found that finding maurice, i want to ask you more about the conditions on the ground for the people off comfortable 1st, here's a segment of

a film. your collective is launching very soon. let's take a look. the, the the the, the minutes we take on this, but the, the 32 minutes is we play provide the math. i suppose they didn't come, mind me provide the provided somebody you are to come on in the 1st

part of the problem doing the dentist because it it got in for me didn't you didn't though you'd up with is that can really help with the thought is when you bundle with any fees and then the gosh. refit on why am i like the maurice we see there are there are man but also women in some cases children involved in the extraction of

minerals and as we said in the start conditions are a brutal in, in some cases. but sometimes this is the only option for people. this is how they live. and the only thing that they are the only source of of, of funds to survive. and there are number of studies that have revealed that a boycott on the tech sector would actually have a very negative impact on these people. can you talk to us a little bit about that and then what is left for us to do? yeah, what you see there is that in terms of the call is being engaged in our case on mine is a product in the system that's in place the capitalist system. and that is imposed a systemic poverty on the call these people which are leaving a little options in the article mining sector. there's up to $2000000.00 calories engage and they have an impact and up to additional $55.00 about

5 times their, their population. so it's a central part of the survival for, for the economies people and the feeling that you, you just saw. but it is great for me in the cooler is a, an effort on the part of friends of the congo, the bi sandra coalition, to elevate what, uh, is it, the stories of the, of the miners and the diggers who uh, i must say, are extremely well organized, organize into collectors and tens of thousands of diggers. and as you saw from the found the key demands, they have several key demands. one is they want to be beneficiaries of their own resources. they see multinational corporations as see the chinese americans, canadians coming in and catching the well. so the organizing themselves to control their own resources for the benefit of the sons and daughters of the kind of

culture and what can we do? well, we can support in this show, for example, in highlighting the point of view of the diggers through the film, which we're going to be releasing as a part of our congo weak initiative. that is key and getting their voices out and getting their demands out, getting their concerns out. and what we can do is to rally to support them by telling their stories, providing them with a platform to, to share their demands. their concerns are the challenges. so that is a true and this amount that we can do of spread the word continue to protect apply pressure, not just on apple, but on the entire tech, the tech industry, the automobile industry, you know, in uh, 2008. then tony baterri is he wasn't secretary general view and then when he gave a interview to the financial times and he said, let's not forget that the international community as systematically new to the cold

. therefore our response must be system systemic in nature. right? uh, there's people of the world rally behind the congo, congo, and accomplish people in order to support them in their quest to control and determine their own affairs. that is what we need to do. and we must not normalize the situation to $70000000.00 people live under 2.15 dollars a day. as you said, russian in terms of how we as consumers, can try and bring about change. what would be your advice? well, if i can give one example, so we've already twice mentioned that and go to that. he puts his with clayton cool . and they, within the day i see one of the largest exploits it's event, extremely corrupt companies that have behind the mining and the, as has been described, the terrible conditions, the systemic kind of

a oppression that is going on. the cool. so is the largest commodities trading company in the world? i think it's mine's cold in columbia, in mines, coal instead africa, no code being imported. number one inputs, it was columbia by israel to fuel, obviously the illegal occupation. and now more recently, the military and the genocide, colombo, the columbia and government, the presidents announced that they would stop selling coats, israel. now this is actually legal obligation on no countries. and we have containing a hard test booklet and code to stop selling it's code from south africa to israel, as we are legally obliged to do by the i c, j rulings. i'm the general assembly vote to implement those rulings. so you can see how connect to destruct those. uh and so as we're raising up the issues around clayton coal and trying to stop complacency and magenta sides of the palestinian

people. we're also working with the congolese community here and giving they've come to these community platforms on palestinian a protest matches meetings. and we also get some platforms on very events. so we can draw these links and so we can talk, it's a boy cuts targets actions, not right activities. and we can make a difference if we can, if columbia can stop being the largest seller of cold from glen cove to is ro unconvinced. but we can stop glen cool, and i have the mining company save from doing the same. and in doing so, we're putting pressure to take up the issues that are being discussed around the congo. the absolute, anything that struggles the connected is it connected and suddenly directly isn't charity certainly directly is beneficial. so all of us as we are active in one case, we're also able to raise up and be active in other cases as well,

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beings as a content creators have become journalists, rescuers, heroes, and targets to to customers. so when a visa comes to me and yet they continue to report that the cause of this is the story of just want to be had be let me know if it had been higher for the loved focus on that. just to look at actual information on the ground looks at the way that this issue is framed. the media, the escalations who escalate any the new years that are those immediately visit the listening pace because the media on out is era. examining the impact of today's headlines, a prolonged conflict. the liberty of economy would be an absolute, unflinching gentleness of how many people are in detention. victor, that may be philosophically know,

don't be for the miracle international filmmakers. well, class john. so what's the plan here to that question? the most important part is that we get attention to the climate crisis, bring programs to form an expire on how jesse are as the international after a job to israel bands, the u. n. agency that supports millions of palestinians further endangering the lives of civil, the don jordan. this is how does the around 9 from dell also coming up doing it's $24.00 day siege of northern garza. israel has killed more than a 1000 palestinians. many of them women and children is really strikes go more than 60 people in the back. our region in the deadliest day and east i'm living on.